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Bus vs bike - John C. Kirk

Mar. 31st, 2009

11:57 pm - Bus vs bike

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From:ext_5743
Date:April 1st, 2009 08:08 am (UTC)
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totherme's view is coloured by too much urban cycling. As a motorist, I can attest that making a right turn around another vehicle as in Rule 181 is fairly common practice for motor vehicles, especially at box junctions. However, motorists may not expect cyclists to do it - and will expect a turn in front (as you did) even less. Bus drivers are a special breed, too - because they drive the same route, they expect everyone else to know where they're going. But yes, never pull into the path of a moving bus or lorry, even if they are indicating.
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From:totherme
Date:April 1st, 2009 09:46 am (UTC)
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My view is indeed almost entirely the colour of urban cycling :)

It's interesting though - I remember back when I was a teenager having a go at this "learning to drive" thing that everyone was doing, my (professional) instructor told me exactly that about making right turns around other vehicles... I think his words were something like "Yeah, officially you're supposed to do it that way, but in all my years on the road, I think I've seen it actually happen maybe twice". He advised me to be aware that that was the official rule, but not to expect other drivers to do it.

A peculiarity of the time and place I grew up perhaps?
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From:ext_5743
Date:April 1st, 2009 10:18 am (UTC)
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Yeah, it tends to be most common where you have broad streets that meet at right angles - as in parts of London. Box junctions are also much more common in London than in other cities.

I suspect that on the Wirral you might not have had the appropriate road geometry!

On the subject of box junctions, did you know that any junction controlled by traffic lights is supposedly governed by the same rules as a box junction? Lots of drivers in Cambridge don't seem to get that one. Mind you, lots of cyclists in Cambridge think that traffic lights don't apply to them.
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