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May. 23rd, 2003

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From:elvum
Date:May 23rd, 2003 02:45 am (UTC)
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Neo didn't fly off after talking to the Oracle because he wanted to hear what Agent Smith had to say. And who was shot and survived apart from Trinity, the survival of whom was "believably" explained by Neo's l33t 5k1llz?

I maintain that the filmmakers could have been trying to deliberately mislead everyone with the last scene :-)
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From:johnckirk
Date:May 23rd, 2003 03:33 am (UTC)
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Neo didn't fly off after talking to the Oracle because he wanted to hear what Agent Smith had to say.

Ok, that's fair enough. But once the conversation ended, and the fight started, he had plenty of opportunities to leave - even Trinity agreed :) ("Come on, get out of there!")

And who was shot and survived apart from Trinity?

Yeah, I didn't actually have a problem with that - it was just the simplest example of "real-world logic vs magic Matrix logic" that I could think of (probably not the best choice).
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From:elvum
Date:May 23rd, 2003 04:14 am (UTC)
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It looked to me like Neo had to clear an empty space and pose for a second before he could take off - something that didn't really happen during the fight until it actually happened (if that makes sense...)

Also, perhaps he thought he could destroy all the Agent Smiths in the early stages of the fight? (A good idea if the trailer for Revolutions was anything to go by ;-)
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From:johnckirk
Date:May 23rd, 2003 04:31 am (UTC)
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It looked to me like Neo had to clear an empty space and pose for a second before he could take off

Yeah, I'd agree with that - I thought that there was an opportunity earlier, but I could be wrong.

Also, perhaps he thought he could destroy all the Agent Smiths in the early stages of the fight?

But even if he did, how would that benefit him (or anyone)? I haven't seen the trailer for the next film, but my understanding is that as long as there's one Smith left, he can copy himself as many times as he likes. So, by destroying several duplicates, at best it's futile, and at worst it's killing innocent people (who had their avatars hijacked).
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From:rjw1
Date:May 23rd, 2003 04:48 am (UTC)
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>>t looked to me like Neo had to clear an empty space and pose for a second before he could take off

>Yeah, I'd agree with that - I thought that there was an opportunity earlier, but I could be wrong.

Also neo never rweally feels he has an issue in the matrix. perhaops he was just enjoying it. And since he is the one perhaps the numbers wernt to overwhelinmg for most of it. Also it means he gets to see what smith is capable of.

The only issue i had with the film was that soem of the scenes were a bit long.


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From:sulkyblue
Date:May 23rd, 2003 05:49 am (UTC)
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But even if he did, how would that benefit him (or anyone)?
Well if you destroy all the Smiths, presumably there'd be nothing left to replicate itself. Mostly though, he didn't know whether it would benefit him or not. He doesn't know anything about the Smiths and their abilities to replicate (and frankly neither do we). And as Morpheus points out in the first film, there are no innocent people inside the Matrix, if they're not with them they have to assume they're against them.

Plus of course he's an action film hero, running away is against the code ;0)

The trailer was at the end of the film, after the credits.
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From:dynix
Date:May 24th, 2003 07:07 am (UTC)
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now were they vampires or werewolfs?

Nice idea but i was hoping for pointy teef at /least/

And dont silver bullets only kill werewolves?
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From:johnckirk
Date:May 24th, 2003 07:49 am (UTC)
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Silver bullets are normally associated with werewolves, but I think that silver in general used to be considered an anti-vampire technique. This is one theory for why vampires don't have a reflection - mirrors used to have silver behind the glass. It would normally be a sword/knife, rather than a bullet, but there are stories about vampires being killed by silver. See: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_597364.html

In the case of the film, it was a little vague, but it may be significant that the guys were watching a vampire film in the background.
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From:dynix
Date:May 24th, 2003 06:05 pm (UTC)
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aha, makes sense then - though the mirror thing is new to me.

deeply worrying link might I add....
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